Welcome to Our Community

Some features disabled for guests. Register Today.

How to calculate V-Slot® deflection V2

How to Estimate Deflection in Your Open Builds Projects

  1. Giarc

    Giarc OpenBuilds Team
    Staff Member Moderator Builder Resident Builder

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2015
    Messages:
    2,916
    Likes Received:
    1,619
    I was thinking the same thing. I would also be interested in seeing the FEA breakdowns you mentioned.
     
  2. 997.1

    997.1 New
    Builder

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2014
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    1
    I took this down from the site as there is a thin line between a good assumption and a poor one. The original formulas and values I posted were experimentally verified on an OX build (yes there is a moment on the plate and does contribute) on the 20x60 and 20x20. Deflection measured center beam no integration done to check other areas, simplest case possible. Various (non calibrated) weights were used to confirm results. The original discussion came from guys mounting 2.2kW spindles on a 1000mm length double 20x60 (OX "X" gantry). I did not run FEA. The discussion seen above would come to me in an email about once a week.

    Glad you guys took this one over Mark! :):):)
     
    Mark Carew likes this.
  3. Roger Hughes

    Builder

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2020
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    0
    I want to use the C Beam vertically. Is there a resource to calculate deflection fo fit in the vertical orientation? I am building a 96" long router table 48" wide - Can put as many "legs" on it as needed to prevent deflection but prefer as few as possible. The router motor is a 14 lb Porter Cable router
     
  4. Peter Van Der Walt

    Peter Van Der Walt OpenBuilds Team
    Staff Member Moderator Builder Resident Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    14,002
    Likes Received:
    4,113
    Unfortunately no calculator available for that sorry.

    If I understand your use case correct, I'd estimate 2 legs would be plenty to lift the Porter Cable and still constrain it well enough in the two other directions.
     
    Mark Carew likes this.
  5. Lybrary

    Lybrary New
    Builder

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2022
    Messages:
    37
    Likes Received:
    7
    I'm late to this discussion but my guess is that the play in the bearings and the compression of the plastic rim of the wheels contribute more to the deflection than purely the deflection of a C-beam at lengths of under 1 meter. Twisting of the beam shouldn't be neglected either since the lever of a fully extended Z-axis can be pretty large depending on the specifics of the machine design.
     
  6. Achrn

    Achrn New
    Builder

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2022
    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    1
    In the 'simply supported beam with uniform distributed load' case the value shown in teh pdf as '348' should be 384.

    I appreciate that claiming an error exists in something unchallenged for a decade might want some evidence, a google 'deflection UDL simple supports' will find loads, e.g. Simply Supported Beam - With UDL
     
    Rick 2.0 likes this.
  7. Rob Taylor

    Rob Taylor Master
    Builder

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2013
    Messages:
    1,470
    Likes Received:
    746
    Better to use a point loading moment calclulation than a uniform-loading one, which is more suited to building construction than CNC gantries. I don't know how this affects whatever calculation is in question, just a point of clarification.
     
    Stwspoon and Rick 2.0 like this.
  8. Brian Slee

    Brian Slee Well-Known
    Builder

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2014
    Messages:
    191
    Likes Received:
    59
    Hey there fellow lurker ;)

    Interesting that this thread should pop up right when I was getting ready to ask the experts what they would think of a sandwiched composite that had two 500mm pieces of 2060 for the outer layers back-filled with an epoxy granite mix for the purpose of adding stiffness and improving dampening?
     
  9. Rob Taylor

    Rob Taylor Master
    Builder

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2013
    Messages:
    1,470
    Likes Received:
    746
    Hey! Long time no see. :D

    When you say sandwiched and backfilled, do you mean connected together back-to-back and then internally filled, or do you mean parallel but separated and the gap filled with EG? Either way, I'd suspect the performance increase to be quite substantial due to shear-limitation of twist alone.
     
  10. Brian Slee

    Brian Slee Well-Known
    Builder

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2014
    Messages:
    191
    Likes Received:
    59
    Two parallel pieces end mounted to 1/4" plate separated by a 20mm gap that would be filled with the epoxy granite.
     

    Attached Files:

  11. Rob Taylor

    Rob Taylor Master
    Builder

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2013
    Messages:
    1,470
    Likes Received:
    746
    I love everything about this idea, to be honest. It might be the "perfect gantry" (within its size class, at least). I'd throw some 15mm T-nutted bolts into each piece inside the gap along the length for better vibrational coupling- maybe some tapped through the backstrap too- but it should be quite damping and very stiff in both axes of bend, and twist. It'll be on the heavy side, of course, but not too bad given that it's only 60x20mm. And since it's a moving bed, that's irrelevant anyway. Just focus on getting a good aggregate mix, try and maximize solids.

    Looks like a fun machine, you should do a build! I like moving tables, I think they're underrated as gantry machines.
     
    Mark Carew likes this.
  12. Brian Slee

    Brian Slee Well-Known
    Builder

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2014
    Messages:
    191
    Likes Received:
    59
    Thanks. Right now I have 3 sizes of aggregate on hand, fine sand, 2mm, and the largest is pushing 5mm+ which I think is a little large for this app so I will swap that out for something smaller (Maybe even a 1mm) so it gets up into the slots easier and that should give me a good pack. I still have some work to complete the x axis and I am working on the drawings as we speak, but will get it posted up to the board soon.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice